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OMG! More cliches from New York City dailies

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  1. August 5, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    NYC native here, 8-year resident of Kingston. These articles in the Times are funny to me. They make it seem so glamorous, when in actuality it's the total opposite up here. Half the people in Kingston look like mental home escapees, shuffling down the hill to Ghetto Hannaford in Kingston Plaza. My husband and I call them "The Kingston Zombies" and think this town would be a terrific place to make a horror movie.I'd say about 75% of the population is obese. And seeing those dragon tattoos spilling out over their muffin tops makes me SO GLAD I never got inked back when the trend first hit in the early '90s. There is zero street life (except in Midtown) and the only folks who walk around here are the poor and kids too young to drive. Some of the rough-looking characters on Henry Street scare even me, and I grew up in Harlem. It's almost as if they try to look extra thuggish to make up for the fact that they're in the Hudson Valley and not Compton or Bushwick.I feel sad when I see folks trying to revive the area and open businesses 'cause I know within a year or two they'll be out of business like all the others. This place will never be economically revived. Not in a thousand years.

  2. August 5, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Ouchza. I actually like Kingston, and even its hipsters (but not too much, hipsters, so don't let it go to your heads).But, yes, there are some realities around, and some suspicious or angry or lethargic people to remind you of that as well.Still, there's something about this area that makes me like it.Maybe it's the people, maybe it's the places and the views.Then again, maybe it's the PCBs in the Hudson.

  3. August 6, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    @Anonymous – hater? Sure, fair share of mental-institution escapee types in Kingston (much like Brooklyn, in fact!), but maybe you should try Uptown? Moved here from Brooklyn a few years ago and it's a pretty excellent meld of affordable space, good creative company, community, and rather ace food and cocktails (if you don't mind eating at the same three places over and over). I find the Brooklyn-centric Hudson Valley comparisons pretty irritating, but I have to admit I get what they're going for — if you've spent any time in Williamsburg the actual charm is more in the grit than the glamor…I know Kingstonites will make plenty of jokes about battening down the hatches after articles like this come out, and maybe I'm biased, but it could only help for people who do not populate the mental institution escapees, zombies, and Wall St. crack foxes category to move up here… (Gasp, did I just endorse gentrification? Maybe a bit. Guess I'm part of the NY Times conspiracy…)

  4. August 7, 2011 at 4:29 am

    OMFG their priorities are showing: the adjective set the Times chooses to describe Chronogram shows what's valued by this tribe: "green, hip and upscale".Upscale by my measure is a California construction denoting people who make enough money so that they're part of a group of people who think they have to show each other that they make enough money, by spending it on stuff that's overpriced based on alleged (and frequently absent) higher value and cachet of sophistication.Wannabe-dom.The only thing that keeps this from being just an amusing social drama is that these folks drive up the cost of living and price locals out of the area or into "downscale" housing. Why not stay in Brooklyn, hip is lame.

  5. August 7, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Funny, anonymous – I've also lived here for about 8 years and I find your comments extremely offensive and stupid. Yours has to be about the most self-indulgent, ignorant post I've read in a very long time.Kingston has come a long way in attracting culture, cuisine and talent – but that's apparently not enough for your groovy behind.Yes there are problems – but they won't be solved by hipsters in skinny jeans disapproving over their cocktails and sighing in their ennui.Get involved in making Kingston better of go back to where the pretty people with no problems live.I have a feeling you won't leave a void.

  6. August 8, 2011 at 10:13 am

    This Times piece reflects less upon any actual influx of "hipsters," and more the tendency of some downstate writers to only comprehend our area through the lens of NYC service journalism.And by the way: The decision to prevent the building of that Hudson cement plant? It was written by an African-American (then-Secretary of State Randy Daniels).Had the author of that Times piece bothered to review any of his own paper's many reports and editorials about that seven-year fight, he would have learned that the project would not have created jobs for local people. Why? Because the Swiss-owned company was planning to transfer all but one of the workers in from another plant which they would close:NYT edtiorial, 10/7/22:"This plant is wildly out of scale for its setting, and important questions about the potential effect of its emissions and its daily operations have not been answered. Supporters argue that the plant will create jobs, but even St. Lawrence Cement has estimated that when its old Catskill plant closes, the net increase in jobs will be just one. The plant would also have a negative effect on an area that has been revitalized by its scenic, cultural and historic resources. The economic future of the Hudson River depends on them, not on cement."NYT editorial, 11/18/2003:"Certain basic facts about the proposed plant and its majority shareholder, Holcim, have not changed, and as a result, the opposition to it only grows as time passes. The new plant would be an enormous eyesore — an industrial city — in a region increasingly dependent on cultural tourism and in a county that is prospering compared with counties where cement plants already exist. The St. Lawrence cement plant would unleash a plume of pollutants endangering everyone downwind, including residents of Connecticut, Massachusetts and Maine. And it would yield, by St. Lawrence Cement's own assessment, only one new job because its Catskill plant would close. To those basic facts, we would also add the fact that Holcim, a Swiss company, has been repeatedly fined for safety and environmental violations at its North American plants."In the end, over 14,000 public comments were submitted about the project, in a county of 65,000 people. 87% of those comments were opposed. Not a single local public official supported it by the end, as it had become clear from credible research that the only effects would be to subject local kids to asthma, adults to cancer, and the elderly to premature heart attacks. All to benefit some Swiss billionaires.But hey, hipsters taking food out of the mouths of the disenfranchised makes for such a better story — right?

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